WB:  It's a mixture of a lot of things. My opinion, there's ze | Clip Artist Films

WB:  It's a mixture of a lot of things. My opinion, there's zero enforcement, there's basically no enforcement of the law from the outside. The polices don't even really apply. They're just words that they choose. Nothing but words and the policies apply to only certain individuals. And then some people they do not apply whatsoever. 

GR: If we distilled it down, that issue is in pretty stark contrast because from what I understand, when Arpaio was in leadership this kind of stuff did not happen. Do you find that to be true, is that a pretty fair statement?

WB: Yeah. 

GR: Arpaio had his detractors we know, but I don't think he was feeding on his own employees as enemies.

WB: We were all number one.

GR: As far as this unfair treatment by Penzone, are you familiar with or have you ever heard of the "Blue Team"?  

WB: Yes.

GR: That's really what we're talking about here is this employee targeting. It might be criminal and something may later come from that. Can you give me some kind of insight from the inside? 

WB: Blue team is a stupid application that is used on employees to basically document their work in the office. My opinion is the way it's being utilized is as a way to discipline people is all it is. Supervisors can basically weed out people that they don't want at the agency documenting. That way they can document whatever they want and you have no say of what goes in there. You can't really fight it. So once they blue team you, it's in there permanently. Near impossible to get an entry removed.

GR: Have you found that some of this is political targeting?

WB: Yes. There's multiple factors that play into it like who you're related to, what are you in the agency, if you're well liked and other factors. 

GR: This is like a secret police almost what you're describing, inside of M.C.S.O. isn't it?

WB: Yes. They basically they can choose to ruin your career or choose not to. I think consistently, most of the employees think that the blue team...since the implementation of blue team we've lost more employees than ever. It in fact doesn't work. A lot of employees feel that it's just a way to get rid of people. And they tell you. When they first implemented this blue team thing, they were like oh yeah it's not being used as a discipline tool. That's all it's being used fo though is a way to discipline people. So you don't say anything. Make your life miserable at work. Make you not want to come in to work. You can't transfer anywhere. It's ludicrous. 

GR: When was that put into place? Was that a Penzone policy or did Arpaio have some form of that?

WB: I think it had mostly to do with the Melendres ruling, I think. I could be wrong. I want to say 2015 or 2014 it came out. 

GR: Is the intention behind that ruling maybe to self police so racial profiling types don't get in control of power? Is that the take away, roughly?

WB: Yes. So they claim that blue team is like a tool to...I guess they're going to...well they can predict things. Like if they can flag you as a trouble employee or if you get too many use of forces in a month it will flag you, saying that you're using too much force. The whole system is stupid. They're trying to predict if you're going to do something.

GR: Sounds like Minority Report. They want a crime prevention unit. A mind control unit.

WB: Yeah, and it doesn't even work. It's a joke. The thing as a whole, people don't even take it seriously. They're just over it. People don't even file their blue team entries anymore. People are tired of it because they know there's just nothing you can do.

GR: That's an interesting view into one of the things I want to ask you about, which to me seems a correlation from an outsider looking in. Which is all these blue team scenarios. I've heard form other former M.C.S.O. employees and other current ones that have dealt with this kind of stuff. Where you're kind of in a freezing pattern. And then a lot of this gets rolled up into these internal affairs cases eventually. 

WB: Yes. Because they have access to every blue team entry.