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2022-06-18 18:56:01 They allege that some years ago, Penzone was cheating on his current wife, with another man's wife. And when the dude found out about the affair, he went to Penzone's house to pay him a visit and confront him. Then some detectives got involved and Penzone had the report buried. Have you heard of this at all?

WB: I heard about it. Nothing came out because he stopped it. 

GR: Okay, I was curious. Because if I have a very reliable source alleging that, and then I'm talking to you and you've heard that. That's multiple sources. The tip that came in was a direct relaying of information about the incident and buried report. Interesting.

Goal after this interview is to provide ongoing coverage until Penzone is fully exposed, because the main stream media won't cover it. We've talked about lots of stuff. What would you want to share with the reader the top 2 or 3 things that are most urgent right now? So the public is aware about it, they can start making some noise and calling their representatives. Would you say there's a couple of hot items you want to address?

WB: There's a lot of issues, but I would say the biggest one is we can't retain people. We can't effectively recruit people anymore. Penzone single handedly did this. The numbers don't lie, Gordon. I can tell you last year we hired 23 Detention Officers. None of them work here. 

GR: So 23 hires through training?

WB: 23 Detention Officers were hired, none of them work here anymore. What does that tell you? Don't even get me started with the Deputies, that's another debacle. We do police academies probably max, I want to say probably once every 4 months. At most, at one of those academies, there will be like 10 Deputies. The rest of the class will be from out of county. Literally it's all a complete disaster. We're a laughing stock.

 GR: They all left?

WB: Not one of them made it past one year.

GR: What about on the Deputy side? 

WB: Numbers for the Deputies are bad, just not that bad. That's the worst possible outcome you can have when none of them come back. In fact what they like to do on these numbers is blame it on Covid. I can tell you Gordon, Covid has nothing to do with this. Are there employees that left the office because of Covid? Yes. This was happening before Covid, writing was on the wall. People that left the agency to go else where or to do something else, I would say when someone gives two weeks notice, Covid is like 20%. And that's being nice. The other 80% is all from the office. They like to say, Covid caused all this. 

Fact is nobody wants to work for this agency. It's an F tier agency.  There's zero enforcement of the law. Nobody wants to work here because people in the public know it's an F tier agency, the benefits they offer is piss poor. There's no retirement anymore. They opted out of a 20 year retirement for both detention and sworn. They opted out of the 25 year retirement. All you get is a garbage 401k, it's an F tier retirement system that no one will be able to retire off of. And they know this, so we can't effectively recruit people anymore. This guy Penzone has singlehandedly tarnished this agency and he'll always be remembered as that Sheriff.      

GR: That leads me to a question. You talked about deaths on duty. And the prolific numbers under his reign, are you inferring that you believe there is a correlation between these untimely deaths and the lack of coverage?

WB: They weren't providing the employees with right equipment to protect themselves from Covid. They were moving people around like it was fentanyl. Literally they were just moving people around. They didn't care about anybody. They just didn't care. Do as I say, not as I do. 

GR: That was other concern a recent source had is that exact thing. That if the staffing issues aren't addressed soon that there could be another death. And there's concern with that.

WB: People are dying right and left. They're getting rid of hazard pay at the end of the month. The office is not paying out hazard pay. 

GR: That's crazy. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:56:01 Then when he first started running for Sheriff the first time it was unclear whether or not he was going to run as a republican or a democrat. What this guy's all about is he has no political grounding himself. He's just doing the bidding of the left and George Soros. The whole agenda is part of this conversation because that's what Soros wants is to cause disruption the US. What better way to do that than strip law enforcemnt agencies and buy off DAs.                                     

WB: Well I believe Penzone has contact with that group. I believe he has contact with somebody that's in direct contact with George Soros. I think part of that agreement is, hey I'll give you this money but you need to do these things for me. The first thing this guy does Gordon when he gets elected Sheriff. One of the first things he does is, we all know George Soros is very pro illegal immigration. George Soros wants everyone to be here. He doesn't give a fuck what country you're in, he believes anyone can be in this country illegally. 

First thing Penzone does is he lifts the ICE holds saying, we're not honoring ICE holds anymore. If ICE wants these people, then they'll have to get them after release. We can't hold these people against their will. We're not honoring these holds anymore. Even though there was legal standing. There was case law showing that it wasn't unconstitutional to hold people on these immigration holds from the FEDS. The counties had a right to do that and it wasn't illegal. Penzone didn't give a fuck. That was one of the first things he did. That was to appease George Soros. That had nothing to do other than appeasing George Soros. 

GR: Not only that, he created a staff position that had never been there before to have one of George Soros's lawyers as special counsel, Stephanie Cherney. 

WB: Yeah she left, Cherney. She left the office, I don't know what happened. I could tell you Gordon, something happened. But no one can tell you what happened. She basically resigned, and it was unexpected. In fact a lot of Paul Penzone's people that he first hired on. Where he brought these people in that were all positions that I say were appointed. But he's gonna claim, oh no they're not appointed positions. All these people he brought in they're all gone. They want nothing to do with the guy. 

GR: The PIO that was in there was a guy named Mark Casey. And then he jumped over to ABC15 as News Director, And that's how a lot of the propaganda gets pushed out, especially from that PIO spot. There's always a lot of coordination. 
    
The other point I was making too was, what's really troubling about Penzone, politicians are gonna be politicians...but this guy is so crooked, and so power hungry that years ago if he could have won as a republican, he would have done that if it got him the power. He's a sellout for power. 

WB: Only reason he won is because of George Soros. He knows this. A lot of people in the office don't even know who George Soros is. They don't even know all this happened. How do these people not know that? Some people are just out of reality, they're just drinking the kool aid. Oblivious as to what's going on. 

GR: Have you heard about him having a burner phone to George Soros? I had somebody else tell me that. 

WB: Yes, I heard this. I heard at one point he had direct contact maybe not with him, but someone very close to him. That there's something going on. Penzone is a fucking rat. He can't be trusted. He's proven it. The judge doesn't even trust the guy. The judge thinks he's a piece of shit too. Quite frankly, he should be sitting in a jail cell. What he's doing is not only illegal, but fucking wrong.       

GR: I hope something soon happens on that. With him targeting the way he does, and some of the evidence tampering too that I've heard about it. 

I want to talk about a very level source that came to Clip Artist Films a few years ago with a tip. I'm curious if you've heard this too or have any first hand knowledge. This tip came from a very high level former M.C.S.O. employee. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:56:00 But yet, like us as an employee, how can you hold me accountable for my actions when you can't hold your own accountable. It's not how that works. It's completely broken. Not only is it broken, the process, it will never be fixed ever. These people at P.S.B. they think that we'll be in compliance with the court monitor. In all phases, it's never gonna happen. 

GR: Maybe once there's new leadership in there as Sheriff and then there's some pushback for common sense on the court, because Paul Penzone has, and this is the part that's so troubling about him and the whole situation. 

Clip Artist Films has been following it for years. It's widely known Paul Penzone helped frame me in 2017. I have a personal, but also professional interest in making sure he doesn't hurt other citizens or M.C.S.O. employees. What I'm getting at is the concentrated power in his hands holds a lot of weight. Maybe there's an opportunity when the next Sheriff gets in, and Paul gets out of there, the department of P.S.B. can be reformed and overhauled. 

WB: In my opinion, and a lot of people feel this way that P.S.B. has proven that they cannot be trusted in conducting fair investigations. A lot of people feel like P.S.B. should be completely removed and it should be a third party that comes in to do these investigations. Because these people, there's so many factors that go in to these investigations. 

GR: And the Melendres ruling, legal from M.C.S.O. could start pushing back on that if they wanted to, filing some stuff saying hey - our hands are tied here. But for now it's the perfect excuse for Penzone to bury careers and bury evidence in those files. I'm real curious what's in those IA cases that he doesn't want out. You know?

WB: If you request certain IA cases that are closed, you'll never get them. 

GR: I did get one public records request, the career records on Greg Honea, he's the F.A.T.E. detective that helped frame me. I got his IA stuff. He had a long history of evidence tampering just like he did in my case. I don't think Penzone wanted that to get out of the office, but is was sent to me. So sometimes it takes months, but you'll get something.

WB: They're also so behind on public records. Basically they're in the same boat as P.S.B. Gordon, they can't catch up with all their records requests that they're getting from employee and non. And from the court there's like 4 orders where they have to give these records up. They don't even follow that 1/2 the time Gordon. They get in trouble for that.

GR: That's crazy. What a sad state of affairs over there. So let's talk about how you've seen this articulate into the staffing shortages. I have another source telling me that in some areas it's at 50% or below. And have you found that to be true also? Certain areas?

WB: It depends. I want to say every jail is  short, every district is short right now. Even including dispatch. We're just so thin. And the issue is, Penzone has single handedly ruined this agency. We can't effectively recruit people anymore. Because of his zero leadership in the office. These people don't care about, they don't care about human life. All they care about is padding their retirement system. All they care about is retiring and making the most amount of money. They don't care about anything else. They don't care about human life. 

Penzone's going to be known Gordon as the Sheriff that had the most in line of duty deaths, ever. Some of these deaths they determined they weren't in the line of duty, but they were. We know these people died in the line of duty, but the office determined for political reasons, they didn't want to pay out the money. But this guy's gonna go down as that. We've had numerous people die Gordon. This guy, he doesn't give a fuck! He doesn't care.

GR: Penzone's an interesting character. If you go back on him years and years ago, he was the big face of silent witness. But in 2010, he went into the non-profit Not My Kid. Ended up being the Chief Operations Officer. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:56:00 will run with it, then take forever to investigate you. 

GR: Is that why a lot of people have been leaving?

WB: This is why people leave because of the process. It has nothing to do with you being guilty or not. It's the fact that there's no due process. You are afforded absolutely no due process while under investigation. In fact, these people Gordon at P.S.B. have even told me on record, employees have zero due process when it comes to being investigated for misconduct. I'm not kidding you they actually told me this. They are under the assumption that there is zero due process for being under investigation either criminally or administratively. 

GR: That's crazy. They're blowing up somebody's career over anonymous hearsay. Because if you can take an anonymous tip and then freeze someone out, there's no firewall there for false reporting.

WB: Yes, there's no protections. They claim that there's things in place, checks and balances. There's not Gordon. Cases aren't being reviewed. Court monitors do not review every single case that comes in. P.S.B. - they try to tell me this. That's a complete lie. I've spoken to people. They do not review every single case. That is complete lie. There's no way an investigation can go through with all these checks and balances and it be incorrect or be wrong. These investigations are not only piss poor, they're garbage. But they're proud of the work they put out there. It's garbage. Even the judge has already said it's piss poor. It's unacceptable as a law enforcement agency that this is what they're putting out there.

They've had how many years? Six years? Seven years? This is all P.S.B.'s shortcomings. They failed. Then got in trouble with their hand in the cookie jar because they were investigating people before the court monitor came in Gordon. The Chief Deputy, his cases got reopened and the judge determined that there is some serious issues with those cases. 

So then P.S.B. got grouped into the court monitor thing. Now there's like 4 phases for P.S.B. and we're not in compliance 100% with anything. 

GR: How many key executives and middle management is in P.S.B. as a department?

WB: In the past 2 years they've added positions there. There's a P.S.B. Commander then there's a Chief that oversees it. Then the Chief reports to the Sheriff or designee. So I mean there's probably around 40 employees that work there. 

GR: What's the remedy policy wise inside of M.C.S.O., have you looked and said okay, so there's self evident corruption going on an abuse of process such as this, the blue team rolling up to the IA cases, rolling up to career sabotage and political targeting using P.S.B., that's what you're saying is generally going on here. Is there a mechanism inside the M.C.S.O. policy to bring in a third party agency, like the F.B.I., they're already co-joined with the F.A.T.E. Team, or some sort of special investigator?

WB: No. There's nothing. They do what they want. There's nothing you can do. It's like an act of Congress. The court monitors don't care. I've submitted complaints to them directly, they don't care. All they care about is having their check. And these people at P.S.B., none of those people care. There's nothing in place other than basically, what can happen is...let's say a complaint comes in and they determine it's conflict of interest they can have another agency come in and do the investigation that's qualified.

GR: There's no provision in there to say, saying if M.C.S.O. leadership is dirty or upper management, that there's some sort of mechanism like a special investigator to come in from the county or state? 

WB: No. They won't allow it. Especially if it's a complaint against a P.S.B. individual, they will protect that person at all costs. This is very well known at the office. No one at P.S.B. is held accountable Gordon. Every single day those people not only do they violate employees rights, what they're doing is illegal. And it's wrong. They get away with it. They get a pass every single time. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:56:00 And basically Gordon, any blue team entry that 's submitted P.S.B. has access to it (Professional Standards Bureau). They can refute anything. Any blue team entry that's submitted, P.S.B. has access to it and can review it. 

Like there's different...there's supervisory notes. There's employee reported activity. It's like categorized. So when you get a blue team entry they categorize it. What is the blue team entry? Why is it being blue teamed? What is it for? And then majority of P.S.B. has access and can look at it to determine, is there any misconduct? Is there no misconduct? 

And then they initiate investigations mainly on these blue team entries. Gordon, a lot of these investigations are initiated by a blue team entry.  

GR: Paul Penzone, by abuse of policy and process is violating civl rights of M.C.S.O.employees. If the F.B.I. at some point wanted to sit down employees and get to the bottom of all this that would be good for the people that work there and the public at large in Maricopa County. 

Mr. Penzone has abused his leadership position to such a point that this agency is on life support. 

At this point, it's important to get the truth and information out. It's documented that in essence there's an element from the Melendres case being misused, which I'll note also while Penzone is getting held in contempt for other issues surrounding that. If he's just going to select what he wants and then use it to target and abuse employees and then roll those up into IA cases, then the public needs to know. 

Why does he let them stack up? I'm of the opinion based on other things I've been privy to, that there very well could be the evidence itself of Paul Penzone's own corruption inside those IA case files, which is why he's been sitting on them letting them age the last couple years. What's your take on that?

WB: I think on average it takes P.S.B. 600 hundred days to close a complaint. I guess part of the court order is, they have to accept every and all complaints. Basically no matter what the circumstances are and there's really no lead way on it. The office has asked for relief on that, because they think that's not fair. What is happening is at one point we had over 2,500 cases that were backlogged. Almost a year ago that came out because some of those cases were directly related to the Melendres ruling, and they weren't following the court's orders as far as investigating them. Time frames were not being followed. Judge gave them multiple opportunities to comply. The court was tired of hearing it. The court monitor was tired of hearing it. What they're doing to the plaintiff, they're doing to us. That never has came out. In my opinion they lied to the judge. 

These extension notices are never denied. They're never denied an extension notice. They don't even report this to the judge. The judge has no knowledge of this. One of the biggest reasons is these extensions always get approved. So no one's held accountable from P.S.B., none of these people are being individually held accountable. All these people Gordon should be held in civil contempt. Not just the Sheriff. 

The Sheriff took the brunt of everything, but it's like all these people individually at P.S.B. should be held in contempt. for not following the order. None of them have permission to not follow the order. There's nothing that came out allowing that. The Sheriff is protecting these people at P.S.B., they're like gods. If you file a complaint against someone at P.S.B. they dismiss the complaint every single time. 

GR: Sounds like how the courts work in Maricopa County and how the black robe mafia works in Arizona, this wall of corruption. If you're on their side of the wall you get protection. If you're on the other side trying to do the right thing you get targeted. It's quintessential government corruption going on here based on what you're describing. Needs immediate oversight.

WB: If you speak up they create these retalitory IA cases against you. Anonymous people can report you. No name attached to the complaint. P.S.B. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:56:00 WB:  It's a mixture of a lot of things. My opinion, there's zero enforcement, there's basically no enforcement of the law from the outside. The polices don't even really apply. They're just words that they choose. Nothing but words and the policies apply to only certain individuals. And then some people they do not apply whatsoever. 

GR: If we distilled it down, that issue is in pretty stark contrast because from what I understand, when Arpaio was in leadership this kind of stuff did not happen. Do you find that to be true, is that a pretty fair statement?

WB: Yeah. 

GR: Arpaio had his detractors we know, but I don't think he was feeding on his own employees as enemies.

WB: We were all number one.

GR: As far as this unfair treatment by Penzone, are you familiar with or have you ever heard of the "Blue Team"?  

WB: Yes.

GR: That's really what we're talking about here is this employee targeting. It might be criminal and something may later come from that. Can you give me some kind of insight from the inside? 

WB: Blue team is a stupid application that is used on employees to basically document their work in the office. My opinion is the way it's being utilized is as a way to discipline people is all it is. Supervisors can basically weed out people that they don't want at the agency documenting. That way they can document whatever they want and you have no say of what goes in there. You can't really fight it. So once they blue team you, it's in there permanently. Near impossible to get an entry removed.

GR: Have you found that some of this is political targeting?

WB: Yes. There's multiple factors that play into it like who you're related to, what are you in the agency, if you're well liked and other factors. 

GR: This is like a secret police almost what you're describing, inside of M.C.S.O. isn't it?

WB: Yes. They basically they can choose to ruin your career or choose not to. I think consistently, most of the employees think that the blue team...since the implementation of blue team we've lost more employees than ever. It in fact doesn't work. A lot of employees feel that it's just a way to get rid of people. And they tell you. When they first implemented this blue team thing, they were like oh yeah it's not being used as a discipline tool. That's all it's being used fo though is a way to discipline people. So you don't say anything. Make your life miserable at work. Make you not want to come in to work. You can't transfer anywhere. It's ludicrous. 

GR: When was that put into place? Was that a Penzone policy or did Arpaio have some form of that?

WB: I think it had mostly to do with the Melendres ruling, I think. I could be wrong. I want to say 2015 or 2014 it came out. 

GR: Is the intention behind that ruling maybe to self police so racial profiling types don't get in control of power? Is that the take away, roughly?

WB: Yes. So they claim that blue team is like a tool to...I guess they're going to...well they can predict things. Like if they can flag you as a trouble employee or if you get too many use of forces in a month it will flag you, saying that you're using too much force. The whole system is stupid. They're trying to predict if you're going to do something.

GR: Sounds like Minority Report. They want a crime prevention unit. A mind control unit.

WB: Yeah, and it doesn't even work. It's a joke. The thing as a whole, people don't even take it seriously. They're just over it. People don't even file their blue team entries anymore. People are tired of it because they know there's just nothing you can do.

GR: That's an interesting view into one of the things I want to ask you about, which to me seems a correlation from an outsider looking in. Which is all these blue team scenarios. I've heard form other former M.C.S.O. employees and other current ones that have dealt with this kind of stuff. Where you're kind of in a freezing pattern. And then a lot of this gets rolled up into these internal affairs cases eventually. 

WB: Yes. Because they have access to every blue team entry. Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:54:41 Penzone Exposed

GR: Tell me how you started with M.C.S.O.? Why did you get into law enforcement in the first place?

WB: My father had worked there, he retired. Then I applied. He retired along time ago, I applied.

GR: Nice. And how long you been there for, at the agency?

WB: Almost 20 years.

GR: So were there for the last years of the Arpaio era, and then Penzone. About 1/2 and 1/2 sounds like, yes?

WB: Yes.

GR: You're doing this interview here to talk about some things some things that are going on inside of M.C.S.O. from a policy standpoint, being run by very poor leadership. Can you pinpoint one thing or is it a combination of a bunch of different issues adding up? Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:48:20 Here you go Gordon.... Open / Comment

2022-06-18 18:48:20 Thanks for making this Debbie. Do have my eyes focused on helping the country best I can.
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